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The Hobbit: A Long-Expected Autopsy (Part 1/2)

28/03/2018
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In which we look back at The Hobbit trilogy and try to give it a fair shake.
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  • notharmonious

    notharmonious

    6 घंटे पहले

    I can't I physically CANNOT be the only fucking person who thinks these movies are damn flawless. Maybe I'm biased, but I fucking adore The Hobbit trilogy.

  • ElvenSithLord

    ElvenSithLord

    8 घंटे पहले

    Re: vegetarian elves and horrified Dwarves - as, strictly speaking, this isn't exactly supported in canon, I like to think Elrond was just fucking with them.

  • David Crews Ph.D.

    David Crews Ph.D.

    दिन पहले

    Fool of a Took!

  • Joel Louzy

    Joel Louzy

    दिन पहले

    Girl I know how you feel. The first movie even the second hit that spot. I tried to read the books. Im at the part where Gandalf comes back and they are riding to Rohan. I can't even get to the battle of Helms Deep. Its harder to get past than the third game of thornes book after the last season. Someone should have wrote a two page paper and told me to start reading on book IV someplace. Anyway I read the Hobbit after Watching part I. I tried to tell people that we were screwed. Part II was less than five chapters from the end of the book and the last movie was an entire chapter or two with lots more fighting the elf love story and all the other things that didn't happen in at all in the book........ sry to rant, i might have a love hate relationship with these movies and books

  • asdqw7

    asdqw7

    दिन पहले

    There's a lot I agree with on this, and a few things I don't. Like, for example, pointing out how some parts in the book were very short, and non descriptive, and the movies made much longer scenes out of them. Then you list examples from the movies which did the same thing, and praised them for it. Storm Giants: 5min scene from 1 sentence = bad. Boromir Death: 5min scene = good. You also point out inconsistencies with Thorin riding a metal shield on molten gold, and how metal is conductive and should've burned him. I never thought about that from the movies, so I learned something new there. But you give LoTR a total pass when Bilbo gets stabbed by a giant cave troll. Ok, he's got Mithril armor on so the spear can't pierce his chest, but Frodo is still pinned against a wall. This troll is crushing huge slabs of concrete with its sheer strength, and Frodo's body should've been crushed from the force of the attack. You also skipped over one of the most egregious rewrites in LoTR. Faramir taking Frodo back to Osgilith. Faramir frees them in the wild, because he's wiser, and stronger, than Boromir at resisting the temptation of the ring. Instead, they take Frodo back to Osgiliath, and THEN lets them go. you get about 6-10mins of content that is never mentioned in the books. Never mind the fact that Faramir taking them to Osgilith is backtracking the Hobbits hundreds of miles out of their way.
    I'm still sad that we never got to see guillermo del toro's true vision of The Hobbit. The movies would've been ten times better.

  • Matthew Rowland

    Matthew Rowland

    2 दिन पहले

    You know how I know it’s not nostalgia? Watching Frodo sail away while hearing /Concerning Hobbits/ is still enough to push me to tears to this day.

    Also, the fact that I’ll never see Pippin warn off a bandit by declaring that he is a true Lord of Gondor and bringing out Trollbane still annoys me. I love the final chapters of RotK and

  • Feanor

    Feanor

    2 दिन पहले

    Is it possible to obtain the original version of The Hobbit?

  • Zac Irvin

    Zac Irvin

    2 दिन पहले

    These movies are great. I don’t care what anyone says

  • Patrick Cloutier

    Patrick Cloutier

    2 दिन पहले

    Nice critique. The plot elements seem to randomly come in, like bells and lights on a pinball game.

  • Linda Dawson

    Linda Dawson

    3 दिन पहले

    Rankin Bass did a good Hobbit in a 90 minute cartoon with the ONLY legitimate complaint being the green elves. They way the elves were drawn was completely wrong

  • David Still

    David Still

    3 दिन पहले

    Is it bad that I really like The Hobbit movies?

  • Damien Stone

    Damien Stone

    3 दिन पहले

    Radagast had bird shit streaming down his face! That’s a wizard in this world?!?

  • Jordan Sullivan

    Jordan Sullivan

    4 दिन पहले

    I loved that final outro scene/homage. A lot of times when people do these sorts of little skits, they're so clearly disingenuous and buried under layers of cynicism, but that scene was so genuine and showed a real love for the source material. I just loved it.

  • Jordan Sullivan

    Jordan Sullivan

    4 दिन पहले

    "that's....ugh...that's the ring wraith theme"
    *cries in nerd

    • Amanda Richardson

      Amanda Richardson

      दिन पहले

      Things mean things

  • Jordan Sullivan

    Jordan Sullivan

    4 दिन पहले

    Ok but straight up I'm a big fantasy (and in particular LotR) fan and I got though like 10 pages of the Silmarillion before giving up. That thing is a textbook of mythology. It's like the book of Numbers

  • Jordan Sullivan

    Jordan Sullivan

    4 दिन पहले

    ya know it's for some reason only occurred to me just now that LotR is a nerdy fantasy film.

  • Just Making It

    Just Making It

    4 दिन पहले

    I love this 3000.

  • Lucas Nahuel Cerante

    Lucas Nahuel Cerante

    4 दिन पहले

    36:00 why did I cry? Seriously

  • Karlitos Pescador

    Karlitos Pescador

    4 दिन पहले

    14:39 watch yourself

  • mystuff

    mystuff

    4 दिन पहले

    First the Bowie thing and now you tell me that del Toro wanted to do a two-parter... Lindsay, what are you doing to me? I liked those movies and now I can never see them the same way again...

  • Dove HQ

    Dove HQ

    4 दिन पहले

    by the end of the intro I forgot which video I was watching. still into it though

  • Top Silver

    Top Silver

    4 दिन पहले

    Your purposely using big words to alienate alot of people. Why do that?

  • TheDarkPadawan

    TheDarkPadawan

    4 दिन पहले

    so what im hearing is that the hobbit should be remade as two movies within the same universe as lotr instead of a prequel, giving it the freedom to stay more true in tone with the original story. which is was what ive been saying since smaug died within 10 minutes of the start of the third lol
    EDIT: Just finished the last part. wtf man.

  • M Nichols

    M Nichols

    5 दिन पहले

    It's disingenuous to say that adult fantasy didn't exist before lord of the rings. Tolkien did not invent fantasy nor did he invent complex fantasy worlds. Many before him had already done so.... sure Tolkien is incredibly popular, but still disingenuous.

  • Kiara Williams

    Kiara Williams

    5 दिन पहले

    The end to this video was brilliant!

  • Matthew Farley

    Matthew Farley

    5 दिन पहले

    Peter Jackson looks like one scary mother fucker lol

  • Joe Congdon

    Joe Congdon

    5 दिन पहले

    I've read the Hobbit numerous times. I don't recall gollum giving the ring to Bilbo.

  • King Stuff

    King Stuff

    5 दिन पहले

    By the beard of Durin! The Hobbit was amazing in my opinion. Also DRAGON!!! And unlike the Star Wars prequels, it’s actually really good.
    Also dwarves are really fire resistant... because they live in fire full heated caverns.
    But I do see the problems.
    But dragons... DRAGONS!!!

  • gee massam Art

    gee massam Art

    6 दिन पहले

    I love that Orlando Bloom confused bit 😂 'is it two, or three? Oh, it's three?'

  • KitsuneRogue

    KitsuneRogue

    6 दिन पहले

    So.... Are we all just gonna ignore the older animated "The Hobbit" film? It was actually a relatively good single movie. And kinda keeps the original ideals that Tolkien had wanted for it. >.>

  • Nat

    Nat

    6 दिन पहले

    I think they should have shot the films from Bilbo's view of the world. He was just an innocent hobbit who didn't know the bigger evils of the world and I feel that by seeing the world through his eyes and making sure that the audience knew that was what you were doing the movie could have been both a decent adaptation and a sort of prequel. It's not like we are not aware that hobbits in general see good in the world whenever possible so why did they not think to make the movie with that in mind instead of going so dark?

  • sergeantshroom

    sergeantshroom

    6 दिन पहले

    Not entirely on topic but everytime I see those LOTR scenes it hurts how bad the colour grading is. I don't remember it looking that bland.

    • Celtic and Penobscot

      Celtic and Penobscot

      3 दिन पहले

      Do you wonder if the prints are fading already?

  • Salvador Rodriguez

    Salvador Rodriguez

    7 दिन पहले

    What's the song at the beginning?

  • Meriadoc Foglio

    Meriadoc Foglio

    7 दिन पहले

    I dunno what the odds you actually read your comments is. But look. Your perspective on this stuff is awesome. And while I'm just some random in the internet my parents gave me the name of a Tolkien character. So I'm a little obsessed. It's pretty interesting to hear other people's opinions on something you hold so dear to your heart. Anyway. Keep up the good work. And if you'd ever like to chat about LOTR. Tolkien. And other such nerdy endeavors I'd love to oblige. Sorry t Hi is comes off weird I'm honestly just. Passionate.

  • Doctor Strange

    Doctor Strange

    7 दिन पहले

    AHHHGGG I MISS SIR CHRISTOPHER LEE

  • Groovy Biology

    Groovy Biology

    7 दिन पहले

    10:21 , I absolutely love Gollum's original design.

  • bulletsunderpressure

    bulletsunderpressure

    7 दिन पहले

    And yet, i kinda long for death. 😂😂😂 that got me laughing hard. 😄

  • Isaiah Amos

    Isaiah Amos

    7 दिन पहले

    Yes I’ve seen all the theatrical cuts of lord of the ring
    And the Blu-ray
    And all your videos about Lord of the rings so far
    And watched how to kill a Mockingbird and read it
    I’m not reading that book about the Watch thing i’m going to watch this YouTube video finally

  • charles mcgrew

    charles mcgrew

    7 दिन पहले

    You didn't misjudge the hobbit; my "formative years" didn't include seeing LOTR, and your initial reaction is correct, it's a faint shadow. You should go back and look at the Richard Boone version of Smaug ("Hobbit" TV Movie, 1977) for a great voice, by the way.

  • Professor Greyhound

    Professor Greyhound

    7 दिन पहले

    Holy shit, I don't think I eveer really got attached to a film, but that last piece of dialogue, that samll, humorous reference to frodo leaving and Sam running after him actually made me tear up. I don't know who I am anymore.

  • therryberry98

    therryberry98

    8 दिन पहले

    I actually liked the hobbit. I thought Lord of the rings was boring and slow.

  • bea kiddo

    bea kiddo

    8 दिन पहले

    The Christopher Lee part was heartbreaking 😫

  • Comrade Arcadius

    Comrade Arcadius

    8 दिन पहले

    Unpopular opinion: I love Tom Bombadil. He's such a joy when he's in the books and it just makes me happy when you hear him sing and he comes bursting through the walls of the barrow. I also love Fatty Lumpkin.

  • Comrade Arcadius

    Comrade Arcadius

    8 दिन पहले

    Did you just say Guh-lah-dree-ull?!?!?! It's Gall-la-dree-el!

  • Nichole Raikzon

    Nichole Raikzon

    8 दिन पहले

    Alright man, shit that ending punched me right in the feels. WATCH UNTIL THE ENDING GUYS.

  • Milan Van der Graaf

    Milan Van der Graaf

    8 दिन पहले

    probably noone is going to read thins at this point, but Chistopher lee wanting to play pre corruption saruman kind of fits in to Christopher lees's wish to portray Dracula mora as a human kind of Dracula in the Hammer series

    • whiteknightcat

      whiteknightcat

      7 दिन पहले

      I read it, so THERE!

  • Bob Jones

    Bob Jones

    8 दिन पहले

    Excellent video, best review/analysis of the films I've seen!

  • Redoran

    Redoran

    8 दिन पहले

    well at least the hobbit movies made a fun lego game!

  • Alina L. Theune

    Alina L. Theune

    8 दिन पहले

    31:26 Yes, exactly! That annoyed me sooo much. It threw me out of the movie completely the first time and still does. Music is such a big part of TLOTR, that decision makes it seem like nobody actually cared. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • matthew baez

    matthew baez

    8 दिन पहले

    For that scene on the tree, Khazad-Dum theme or something like that would have fit better considering, uhh like dwarfs.

  • darkexcalibur42

    darkexcalibur42

    8 दिन पहले

    The fact that I cried at the line "Of course you are! And I'm coming with you" in a video where you were intentionally jokingly re-enacting a scene from the Lord of the Rings proves just how powerful and moving it was that even its reflections are stirring.

  • Preda Y.

    Preda Y.

    8 दिन पहले

    28:00 is Lindsay kinkshaming my ass into the next Age >:0 I am so offended!

  • BlackSkullArmor

    BlackSkullArmor

    9 दिन पहले

    I knew it. I was fucking dumbfounded at the end of the first movie when I found it it was going to be three. THREE. Goddamn greedy bastards.

  • MCKMOUSEWORKS

    MCKMOUSEWORKS

    9 दिन पहले

    Anyone else here after General Conference? 🤣

  • SeelenTaucher

    SeelenTaucher

    9 दिन पहले

    "google image search Sauron Melkor"

    nice, like a lot, thanks for the tip xD

  • Terros

    Terros

    9 दिन पहले

    insightful and comprehensive analysis. great video, subbed and excited to see future content!

  • Michael Tandilyan

    Michael Tandilyan

    9 दिन पहले

    The guardians of the galaxy is a perfect example of how you can have tension and goofiness at the same time. Then again maybe they learned from this debacle.

  • Kris Anticknap

    Kris Anticknap

    9 दिन पहले

    31:15 Equally annoying was in the Star Wars prequels when they used the Pod Race opening theme to reveal the clone army to Obi Wan Kenobi. I thought I was the only one who picked up music cues, and it was back then when I realized no one cared except for us nobs.

  • HUCK FINN

    HUCK FINN

    10 दिन पहले

    I guess everybody is in the t-shirt selling business, geez.

  • Hyper Limit Breaker

    Hyper Limit Breaker

    10 दिन पहले

    REMINDS ME OF KINGDOM HEARTS

  • DCdabest

    DCdabest

    10 दिन पहले

    Tbh it's the reactions of the original cast from The Lord of the Rings that says it all.
    For a lot of them; the Lord of the Rings was a total career high point and a great experience. The end product was acclaimed and the process launched several careers into new dimensions.
    Having to rehash what was previously a cool and fun project into a mediocre shadow of itself would f*cking suck. And they don't hide how they feel about it.

  • DCdabest

    DCdabest

    10 दिन पहले

    Ok, but a Tengwar "Beleaguered Sigh" had me cackling.

  • Em Laurenz

    Em Laurenz

    10 दिन पहले

    I can't believe this video doesn't have more likes...

  • Calintares

    Calintares

    10 दिन पहले

    "if only wizards and elves could procreate..."

    Melian and Thingol: !!!

  • Maximus Brooks

    Maximus Brooks

    10 दिन पहले

    My god, I have never seen a Lord of the Rings movie or read any of the books. Finally, after many years, I decided to read The Hobbit. I then tried to watch the movie. Oh my lord. Holy shit. What the fuck is going on?

  • a

    a

    10 दिन पहले

    "...and the things they added..."
    *shivers*

  • DoodlesatNight Nap

    DoodlesatNight Nap

    11 दिन पहले

    This hit me right in the feelz....

  • Darms Hundred

    Darms Hundred

    11 दिन पहले

    Can you please not remind me how much time it is passed since Lotr was released please? I already feel old enough.

  • Manubibi Walsh

    Manubibi Walsh

    12 दिन पहले

    Yeah. I didn't even know what my problems with this movie exactly were, but you summed up a lot of it.
    I absolutely WANTED to love these movies. LOTR was a seminal if not literally LIFE-SAVING experience for me. I remember it came out right as I went through middle school, and that was a hellish time in my life where my soul got pretty much locked somewhere in order for me to survive. And LOTR pulled me through. It was what kept my soul alive, in its hidden spot, and without LOTR I had nothing. I would literally go home after another day in hell, pop in any of the movies and believed there is something worthwhile fighting for even through the pain.
    So yeah, when I heard about the Hobbit getting adapted I was just cautiously skeptic because I'd already played through the PS2 game and it seemed like a pretty alright adaptation to me, and a movie felt unnecessary but I was on board because I'd already loved Peter Jackson's and the LOTR crew's work so much that it saved me. I did want to love it, I wanted to be touched by these movies the same way each of the LOTR movies had touched me, and I did love the first Hobbit movie a lot... and then everything fell apart with Desolation. Yeah, the scenes with Smaug are cool, and I love Benedict Cumberbatch's work, but it does feel like they were trying to do something the story wasn't naturally fit to do.
    I wanted to love these movies, and I did love a lot of what happened, that's why I've been eyeing this multi-part essay for months if not a whole year, but I know you're honest and raw with your analysis and I didn't want that. I guess I wanted something about what The Hobbit did right, but I can't ignore all the things that went wrong with it anymore.
    And I'm not saying I never moved on from LOTR or The Hobbit being a half-baked mess, but I guess part of letting go of disappointmet and just moving on is acknowledging it. The Hobbit disappointed me. I still love a lot of it (for one I really love Tauriel, and I'm not going to explain why because fuck, I'm not here to get into dead and buried fandom discourse), but I really did not like or care for another ton of it. Especially whatever happened in Five Armies. I literally do not remember what that movie's about or how it ended. That's how little I care, and it's bitter but I have to acknowledge it.
    And to think The Hobbit was my favorite book between it and LOTR (never touched the Silmarillion because I'm not about reading all of that), and it ended up being such a massive disappointment.
    I still love the cast, still admire the amount of work and detail they put into these movies, obviously. I don't have one bad word about it. I don't have any amount of resentment against any of the people who worked on this movie. I still love Peter Jackson so much for bringing it to life and saving me. But these movies don't work, and in my opinion they should've gotten a much later release and should've had a possibility to be reworked in time without the constraints they had. I would've waited another decade if it meant getting what this work deserved to be.

    Now I'm kind of hoping for the Amazon Prime series, but... they already signed it for FIVE seasons. That's not a good sign to me. I don't want Game of Thrones.
    Whatever, we'll see what happens.

  • David LC

    David LC

    12 दिन पहले

    Omg that ending was A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E