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Dear Stephenie Meyer

22/01/2018
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It's time to re-examine the decade-old culture surrounding Twilight-bashing.
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  • Amelia M.

    Amelia M.

    12 घंटे पहले

    Finally someone says it omfg 50 shades is a total ripoff of Twilight! Can’t believe Stephanie didn’t sue honestly. The movie and first book will always have a special place in my heart.

  • Kate Boyd élève

    Kate Boyd élève

    20 घंटे पहले

    Currently reading twilight and I hate it (just not my cup of tea) but gotta respect Stephenie Meyer. She made a best selling book and is now filthy rich. She had a pretty original idea at the time and sold it very well. I’m not saying it’s good but I just feel people hate it blindly because it’s targeted towards girls.

  • Tahlia Walker

    Tahlia Walker

    दिन पहले

    i love this video!! all points where spot on

  • Mary M. Hille

    Mary M. Hille

    2 दिन पहले

    the lady who is narrating is.... Seems like a snob.

  • liv vel

    liv vel

    2 दिन पहले

    “Thin skinned YA novelist” twitter is in full force this week so that’s definitely a thing that’s still happening

  • Hunter Livingston

    Hunter Livingston

    2 दिन पहले

    the argument that "there isn't a plot until the last 50 pages" isn't valid. the plot of twilight is the relationship between bella and edward; it's a love story, that's the plot.

  • Vincisomething

    Vincisomething

    4 दिन पहले

    I loved Twilight in high school, but what turned me off from what were realizing that the motives of some of the characters were a little... questionable. It wasn't really the writing I hated that much, but I did kind of see it a lot worse then.

  • PunchFor Pound

    PunchFor Pound

    4 दिन पहले

    16:31 "So why is one dumb cheese the object of so much pearl clutching over who's a good role model for teenage girls, and the other (movies aimed at teenage boys), you know, it's fine"?
    That's easy to answer. It's because our society only pretends to care about girls, but is forthright about its disdain for boys. You missed that obvious conclusion in your video. The social engineering being done in the West right now relies heavily on the facade of protecting oppressed women and minorities from the evil straight white male, so of course the people behind that social engineering campaign are not going to push back against the F&F movies being bad influences on their target demographic of teenage boys, the majority of whom in the West are white. Anyone who wrote that blog would probably be labeled a Men's Right's Advocate Neo-Nazi.
    Also, the F&F movies use a diverse cast, in terms of race, and the diversity issue (which they include women in, aka the target audience of the Twilight movies) is at the top of the victimhood pyramid, while men are at the bottom of that pyramid, so that also explains it.
    It's the same issue at hand, really, just for multiple reasons, but it can be summed up like this. *The people behind the West's social engineering pretend to care about women, and diversity, but are open about not caring about boys or men (unless they tick other "diversity" categories). That's why the media criticizes the influence of Twilight on girls, on but not F&F on boys. They don't view boys as the victims of any bad influence, they view boys as the bad influence themselves, as perpetrators not victims. It's the opposite scenario of what your video makes it out to be.*

  • Fresh_Water

    Fresh_Water

    5 दिन पहले

    moral: LET WOMEN ENJOY THINGS!

  • Rushil N

    Rushil N

    5 दिन पहले

    These are very good points.
    But I also wish that we would all call out the trash made for 10-yr old boys as trash. Imagine is the Fast & Furious sequels were as good as the 1st one. We would all benefit from it.

  • spooky katt

    spooky katt

    5 दिन पहले

    uuuugh but moms being cool and immersing themselves in teen pop culture will always be popular to cringe at.

  • cousinted

    cousinted

    5 दिन पहले

    One other aspect of the original criticism against Twilight and Stephenie Meyer that wasn't really touched on in-depth in the video was also a good chunk of people framing their criticism around Meyer "ruining" vampires or being otherwise incredulous at her turning a horror creature into a romantic fantasy (As mentioned in the news clips used in the beginning of the video). Where these arguments fall apart is their ignorance towards decades worth of increasing sexualization of vampires in fiction. I was very happy when you brought up Anne Rice specifically as, even at the height of Twilight's popularity, I was always confused as to how Twilight got so much vitriol for being about sexy vampires when Rice had been writing about hunky sex vampires for well over 30 years and was every bit the thin-skinned, melodramatic creator that Meyer was so often painted as with far, far less public backlash.
    Basically: Even when Twilight came out it was not particularly unique in terms of being trashy sex vampire wish fulfillment, which makes the vitriol against it all the more perplexing in hindsight.

  • codecatx5

    codecatx5

    5 दिन पहले

    Apparently Japan is different with age variations. Something I found out when I found out that Konosuba's Megumi is supposed to have some kind of relationship with Kazuma. I also definitely feel like those other media may get some passes but also have strong redeeming qualities. So, even when we see these things we're kinda willing to sweep them under the rug to enjoy what was already enjoyable while there isn't a single thing about Twilight in terms of plot, character or world that's even remotely enjoyable... unless you are it's target audience. Which, even then I personally don't think anybody would have cared if not for the extreme publicity the series got putting it in front of faces and therefore through exposure garnering way more criticism than a trash transformers movie that you might have seen but not have shoved in your face as some kind of craze.

  • Endaria Malak

    Endaria Malak

    6 दिन पहले

    It was just bad. We watched Dracula from Stoker and Van Helsing and those kinda movies... When twilight comes with "The Vampires here sparks in the sun and they have superpowers like xmen" people will go like... "Hell nah sis"..

  • Hazel Cohen

    Hazel Cohen

    6 दिन पहले

    I think part of the hate is actually about hating on girls just because

  • abdulkareem ibn neville

    abdulkareem ibn neville

    6 दिन पहले

    I didn't know about the vitriol. Personally my impression was that it was a stupid YA novel turned into a stupid YA film so I just wasn't the least bit interested. I admit to this being unfair since I've only seen bits and pieces of the films. The bits I have seen only seem to confirm my bias. 
    You are right that it being aimed at young teen girls does make it seem childish but I think your analysis in comparing it to Transformers is not correct. You said it yourself, films like Transformers are aimed at a wide demographic. Few films are made for specifically for young teen boys. Even those you think are aimed at them I would argue is more likely to be aimed at the young boys to young men demographic. So I think that you might be overcompensating for your perceived bad behaviour.
    A thought. I wonder how many people who didn't read or even know about the books realised that this was for young teen girls as opposed to just another romantic film aimed at women in general. This probably slightly contradicts my previous points, but the reason I bring it up is because I think maybe seeing this as an attack on young teenage girls is not correct in many cases. A better argument might be that as it is romantic fiction (which is largely aimed at women), that is why it was belittled so much. If that is the case then I'm not sure what you can do about it since Romantic books have about as much cache as comics (largely aimed at boys/men) did before the MCU.
    Still as always some interesting points. I will be watching more.

  • CR Marsh

    CR Marsh

    6 दिन पहले

    HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT CINDER IS A WORSE BOOK THAN TWILIGHT

  • Mary Magee

    Mary Magee

    9 दिन पहले

    Yeah... twilight is still a healing pile of horse shit

  • Như Quỳnh Nguyễn

    Như Quỳnh Nguyễn

    9 दिन पहले

    I, personally, love Twilight and think it is good. Not the kind of very good and ideal and show depth but it is cute. Trashy but cute and gosh, I think the movie is actually good, and the book has, not a very fulfilled plot but a emotional drive and... smooth? It has a flow and I am more than happy to let myself dreaming about hot lovely sparkling vampire as a teenage girl. But, yes, I let myself into the hatred because I was scared that I was deemed stupid and... childish girl. Still now, looking back, Twilight is dreamy and easy(well, not the last book in the saga, it is terrifying) and Meyer don't deserve to be treated with that much of criticism and hatred. And the cast, too.

  • Anonymous Source

    Anonymous Source

    9 दिन पहले

    As a guy not knew nothing about the franchise, I heard 'vampires' and went into this blind with flashbacks of Wesley Snipes (Blade) ripping shit up.

    Boy, did I get a rude awakening...

  • TuneLola

    TuneLola

    10 दिन पहले

    Nice to see the twilight mess explained and analyzed so well.
    I was both sides of the hate war - I was 12 when I first read the series and became absolutely obsessed, reading and rereading New Moon constantly for almost a year. Then I saw the hate it got and since it was pitted against Harry Potter, which I've always loved, I felt as though I had to renounce twilight and join the rest of the mob in ridiculing it if I was to be a "smart person" or a feminist. I'm glad to get the conflict settled, and be able to see both sides of twilight - the fun and the problematic.

  • stopme

    stopme

    10 दिन पहले

    As a teenage girl myself, I read the twilight books a couple years back, and I enjoyed them. I remember thinking "why were these so hated?" and then I never watched the movies, because I didn't want to ruin that little corner of bliss I had cultivated with scathing reviews and bad book adaptations.
    In other news, I do think that a lot of teens are becoming more aware of the mob mentality towards things that girls like. Things like kpop, "vsco girls", boybands, etc etc. My friend and I even have a little joke about how "no matter what music girls like, it's wrong", and I feel like people could mull over that one.

  • Jared Koeller

    Jared Koeller

    11 दिन पहले

    I admit, I was on the hate train too. And watching this made me realize I've been a jerk in a lot of ways.

  • Seneir Bello

    Seneir Bello

    11 दिन पहले

    Cmiiw but Werewolves is a cross between a wolf and a man but in the books Jacob and his clan only shapeshift into wolves. So they're shapeshifters not werewolves. Kinda like animagus in the HP universe.

    • Keyser94

      Keyser94

      4 दिन पहले

      Actually the shapeshifting thing come out in Breaking Dawn, after Meyer received a lot of criticism how her "werewolf" were stupid and not make whatsoever, so she made that up without actually doing any research, again.

  • Benjamin Nolan

    Benjamin Nolan

    11 दिन पहले

    "normal Mormon mom" heh

  • Rhonda Watts

    Rhonda Watts

    12 दिन पहले

    She can dry her eyes on bags of money.

  • go vegan

    go vegan

    12 दिन पहले

    Actually Bella was a very strong female character, she may not have been physically strong, like not physically strong enough to take on a gang of rapists or other vampires, but she had very strong character. She knew what she wanted, she didn't doubt herself, she didn't shy away from something that brought her joy just because society told her good girls don't do stuff like that. She never let anyone's criticism stand in the way of getting what she wanted. She wanted Edward, she faced her fears, ignored everyone who told her she couldn't, and went out and got him. She wanted to be a vampire, she accepted all the negative consequences of her choice, learned to live with them, ignored everyone else who tried to take her choice away from her and ultimately became a vampire. She never let anyone (like Edward, even though she loved him) tell her what to do and she never doubted herself. And it's okay that she was saved by someone who was way stronger than her, because once she too became physically powerful, she was twice the warrior her saviours could ever wish to be. A strong female character isn't just someone who fights well and pushes her feelings away, and is the least feminine version of herself, basically just toxic masculinity embodied with boobies. A strong female character can also be Bella or Regina George, someone with strong character.

    • Ginger cat

      Ginger cat

      12 दिन पहले

      @go vegan Yeah, hopefully more informed opinions out there will make some difference.

    • go vegan

      go vegan

      12 दिन पहले

      @Ginger cat speak on it sis!

    • Ginger cat

      Ginger cat

      12 दिन पहले

      Exactly! She makes her own decisions and follows through, no matter what it takes. She does this for herself and for those she cares about. It's a common criticism that she doesn't suffer any consequences for her choices, which is not true at all. As you pointed out, she accepts all the consequences she anticipates, when she makes her decisions. Some of them happen, some don't. She suffers through the real consequences for herself and through the guilt for what her actions cause to her loved ones and friends - the constant fear of Edward's bloodlust, the conflicts and uncertainty about their future together, the break up, the attacks by James, Jasper, Laurent, Victoria, the Volturi, the hurt she caused her parents, the painful relationship with Jacob, the need to abstain from sex, the horrific pregnancy and transformation, the fear for her child.

  • Emma C

    Emma C

    12 दिन पहले

    Oh but come on, Twilight is fun

  • Angelena Pulis

    Angelena Pulis

    12 दिन पहले

    This was very insightful. Thank you for making this.

  • Shift

    Shift

    12 दिन पहले

    So many of these comparisons meant to expose a double-standard are just bad. Majority of the age difference ones, for example, did create some form of backlash.
    This analysis is super lazy

  • Taekookdestiny

    Taekookdestiny

    13 दिन पहले

    I loved ‘The Host’ it’s was a great book I read it all the time.

  • Laura Torres

    Laura Torres

    13 दिन पहले

    Honestly, I'm sure some of the people who criticized Twilight back then would PAY to see another Twilight craze, just to get kids and teens excited about reading again. Can't tell you how sad it makes me to have met person after person in high school who would PROUDLY state that they "don't read." Damn, didn't realize literacy was suddenly uncool

  • Mia P

    Mia P

    13 दिन पहले

    I'm from a small country. And I never really read a lot. I read Harry Potter and LOTR, out of popular fiction, but nothing else. Then Twilight came out, but it wasn't popular in my country. I think it was maybe 2008 or 2009 when I read all the books, and I really liked them. But no one shamed me for it. And no one really knew that I'd read the books. Yes, guys were shitting on the movie without even watching it, but guys shit on all the romance movies without watching them, so it was normal to me. Anyway, I never understood women who shamed other women for like things that are targetted to women. I mean, I like girly things. But I also consider myself a tomboy who does and likes mostly things boys do, like video games. Which is fine. I wasn't shamed for that by other people. I was shamed for actually liking a book made for my gender. Really dumb and I hope this SJW period ends soon. Because it's dumb.
    Also I never liked Edward. I had a crush on Jasper though. Him and Alice were my favorite characters.

  • Andrea Ilas

    Andrea Ilas

    13 दिन पहले

    Ok, honestly, some people might not agree, but I fell in love with the books, and I can tell you others did too.
    So before everyone went on and criticised Stephanie Meyer, they should've tried writing a book that got such a big crowd interested.
    If you managed, good job! You get to talk as much trash about her as you like.
    But untill then, just no.

  • Satan

    Satan

    13 दिन पहले

    I'm a 21 year old woman, I watched twilight as a teen and loved it. I'm not very feminine and don't hate myself for it but I definitely enjoy some feminine things, never understood or paid attention to the absolute widespread hate towards twilight. Internet trends are often mindless and don't deserve to be taken as anything but a meme.

  • Olivia Clarke

    Olivia Clarke

    14 दिन पहले

    i hate teenage girls and i am a teenage girl.

  • Betty Jett

    Betty Jett

    15 दिन पहले

    Haha Natalie Wynn at the end

  • Chloe Motsebo

    Chloe Motsebo

    15 दिन पहले

    You're so right, society despices teenage girls and kinda applause teen boys. And because no one likes being ridiculed, a lot of girls now are the "I'm not like other girls" girls and make fun of the basic, or tumblr, or vsco girls for being to feminine.

  • Mehrdad Mohajer

    Mehrdad Mohajer

    15 दिन पहले

    Thanks Stephenie Meyer & well done😘. Twilight is a master pieace for those who appreciate it . It is one of the Classics of our own time & a real success in the world of Literature, Art ( Cinema ), & what we called Philosophy, which is simply Man´s - Attempt to know him/ her Self.

  • Brent Rawlins

    Brent Rawlins

    15 दिन पहले

    I do hate the fast and the furious but I don't leave reviews about it and demand answers for every stupid thing they did

  • Aaron Martinez

    Aaron Martinez

    15 दिन पहले

    There absolutely was contempt for teenage boys who enjoyed bad action movies like the Resident Evil and Underworld series, though that contempt wasn't as present on the internet both because the internet was significantly smaller in 2001 than 2012 and also because the early internet was demographically heavy on nerdy boys.

  • Yale Coopersmith

    Yale Coopersmith

    15 दिन पहले

    honestly this whole culture of hate prevents other people from putting their creations out into the world. I know I have seen the hate that authors, musicians, tv showrunners, videogame creators, etc. have received from the world and thought, wow, should I post my songs? should i publish my books? when people spew hate towards creators, the creators arent the only ones affected. know that every time you post a hate comment, you are discouraging/ dissuading another artist from sharing their work with the world out of fear of retribution

  • Cece Jones

    Cece Jones

    15 दिन पहले

    I feel like Angels and demons is criminally underrated. Everyone only remembers Dan Brown’s Da Vinci code .
    I personally haven’t been able to get through the first few pages of da Vinci code . One day I’ll read it . It’s sitting on my shelf underneath Angels and demons .

  • NatShinigami

    NatShinigami

    15 दिन पहले

    I was one of those who jumped the hate-train for Twilight but I had friends - and sisters - who enjoyed it and remember rolling my eyes at them and thinking "like, seriously how can you love those sparkly vampires?", but I didn't have any problems with Meyer herself as an author; I was young then and didn't really care about authorial intent or themes, or meaning or allegory, and I was far more outraged to find that my escapist childhood fantasy of Narnia was Christian allegory than anything Twilight did with its vamps and wolves. And as I was - still am, technically - going through my LOTR-fangirl phase I thought myself too good to dabble with what I considered lesser forms of fiction...
    Now, years later and an unashamed reader of many a paranormal romance/urban fantasy series, and having fallen through the wormhole that is fanfiction into the Twilight fandom once or twice, mostly in crossover works, and I find that I actually kind of like some of its elements and characters. I kind of understand Bella in some points now and having written my own version of vampires and - for the first time ever - a (mostly)pacifist female lead that doesn't want to skewer everyone on her way, I kind of get that of living life your way and want to be protected. It's not the way I usually like my female leads but I've endured so much BS in other sagas through the years that it is first-grade hypocrisy to hate on her just because she is no tomboy Arya Stark going all stabby on everyone.
    This time though I live mostly with one single rule regarding my reading criticism - or any criticism for the matter -, and it is that my argument loses al validity whenever I begin spewing vitriol about the author in some way, because that means I felt personally attacked somewhere down the line and ought to wait a few days - or years - for it to cool down and go back to objective thought.
    I love this kind of videos because they are a chance at introspection and actually going through what made me think a certain way so much. I hated girly thigs so much during that part of my life that it actually surprises me I still read as much YA as I did. Now it all has simmered down to a wave of self-acceptance and "yeah, I like this stuff and don't really care 'bout what people think of it". Besides, talk about problematic relationships when you've actively romanced an old god with more than four thousand years on his back, hell-bent on massive murder to "restore the old world", that has manipulated you to correct his mistakes out of guilt and that, depending on your choices (it's a videogame after all) can confess that didn't even saw you as a person the first time you met - all that when you had a cute knight as the other option... We like what we like, and it's fine!

  • Max

    Max

    16 दिन पहले

    I loved twilight and one direction (still do with the latter) growing up and this video felt like a warm hug to my younger self.

  • Max

    Max

    16 दिन पहले

    The argument that “twilight is bad because it sends a wrong message to teenage girls” is incredibly flawed and supports the idea that girls are more impressionable than boys. Why must media targeted towards girls be scrutinized when boys are exposed to much more harmful forms of media ??

  • L.O. B.

    L.O. B.

    16 दिन पहले

    Because I'm a filthy weeb, I can only speak about Ancient Magus' Bride (which is one of my favorite Anime and Manga so that may be a little bit subjective):

    For me, it's hard to see Elias as a proper adult who happens to want to marry a teenage girl. He's - on a emotional level - more like a child than Chise is (although she isn't good with emotions either). Their relationship isn't weird because they are mainly teacher and student and not husband and wife.
    Maybe you could draw paralels to two children who play "mother father child" (it's called that way here in Germany, don't know if there is an english counterpart for it). They are just figureing out what emotions feel like and you can tell that both of them have quite a weird understanding of it that hasn't really something to do with actual emotions.

    But maybe I'm just a bit "blinded" by the otherwise amazing show and insensitive towards young looking women in romantic or sexual scenes because of...well anime. But yeah. That's my point. Hope it makes sense and is understandable.

    Edit 1: Oh and the washing scene wasn't meant to be sexualized by the "camera" and the at least one "actor"( that's why in Monogatari, for example tooth brushing can be very sexual and taking a bath together isn't sexual at all (great show, by the way)). Granted, it's clearly a problem for Chise and I can't think of a way to counterargument that but for Elias it isn't a sexual act. Because he doesn't think that way. As far as I know, he is pretty much asexual. At least he acts that way.
    All in all I would rather say that scene was more like a parent stripping it's child. And the parent is a centuries old demi human who happens to be a slave owner, technically...Meh.

    Edit 2: Oh and I don't have a problem with teenagers dating old people, at all. I would ask myself what they see in each other because their perspective on...everything must be completely different but if they want to let them go for it. Not that that relationship has high chances of being healthy or successful in the long run, but hey. Here in Germany, 14 is the only age that really matters when it comes to sex. A fourteen year old could bang a 80 year old. And I'm actually fine with it, as long as it's consentual.

    Edit 3: I should really finish the video before I wwrite more here, but hey. Far from the worst? Yes, that's right. That title belongs to some light novels. SAO or Master of Ragnarok (or something like that), for example. Giving rape a sexual vibe (which is not okay) or making actual children (yes, children who are really children and below the age of ten and they act like children) sexually attracted to the protagonist (granted, in that department they don't act like children which makes it worse).

    Edit 4: Ha! Made it through the last five minutes of video without adding another edit!

    Have a nice day, whoever has the patience reading through that.

  • Tish Lynn

    Tish Lynn

    16 दिन पहले

    Who is E.L. James???? Also I loved the series of Twilight and I’m glad everyone is finally getting the shifters out of their butts about it.....

    • Kirstyn Quinn

      Kirstyn Quinn

      9 दिन पहले

      E.L. James wrote 50 shades of grey, which is a barely changed published version of a Twilight fanfic she wrote

  • silver3206

    silver3206

    16 दिन पहले

    Stephanie Meyer wrote The Host, which was Twilight with aliens but not as bad

  • Jan Stanek

    Jan Stanek

    17 दिन पहले

    An intriguing and enjoyable video. I missed that band wagon, quite enjoyed Twilight when I bumped into it in 2015+ and have no regrets. This felt informative and I enjoyed Thank you. I very much like The Ancient Magus' Bride... even when it is busy playing whack-a-mole with my emotions. It was nice to see it referenced.

  • OmnissiahZelos

    OmnissiahZelos

    17 दिन पहले

    "started to write wish fullfillment" AND THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE!

    Wish fullfillment like a 13 year old girl

  • EspressoBug

    EspressoBug

    17 दिन पहले

    I read the twilight series while feeling homesick for the northwest, where I'm from. And while the book series was ok, the descriptions of the northwest helped in a time of missing greener weather.

  • Amrutha Srinivasan

    Amrutha Srinivasan

    17 दिन पहले

    Nah Twilight, and most of the YA genre, is just cliched crap that's shoved down teenage girls' throats by society and media. Sure there's shallow stuff like fast and furious for the guys, I'm not sure who is denying that. The mainstream culture surrounding teenage girls also tends to be shallow and vapid, and unfortunately achieves more popularity than the stuff marketed towards guys. Most things teenagers like aren't particularly deep, but teenage girls seem to get pushed into the worst of it.

  • Sophie Carlton

    Sophie Carlton

    17 दिन पहले

    i read twilight when i was in middle school so that i wasn’t just saying “harry potter is better” without actually reading both of them. i read it in a day because it was really entertaining. i wouldn’t admit to liking it at the time (or maybe even now) but i’m done. i’m here for the twilight love.

  • banrions

    banrions

    17 दिन पहले

    this is very true, and very good

  • goblinoid

    goblinoid

    18 दिन पहले

    Nah, Twilight blows. It's a shitty book.

  • cool beans

    cool beans

    18 दिन पहले

    me: Twilight is dumb
    Lindsay: talks about Ancient Magus' Bride
    me: likes Ancient Magus' Bride
    me: . . .
    me: Twilight is . . . not that dumb i guess

  • Adrian Turcea

    Adrian Turcea

    18 दिन पहले

    i think that one of the reason we started reconsidering twilight and thinking that it's not that bad is that we have fucking nazis marching in the streets and a grab 'er by the pussy president. i guess we have bigger fish to fry nowadays....

  • 12 Monkehs

    12 Monkehs

    19 दिन पहले

    Fucking boomers, man

  • A

    A

    20 दिन पहले

    This is a refreshing take on Twilight.

    The basic premise:
    It really didn’t deserve the hate it got; people who didn’t like it should have moved on like they do with other one-timer/passable movies. Because it is media directed at young girls and their moms, people feel like criticizing on the grounds that it’s irrational, unapologetically female, and teaches girls to be weak and submissive. “We live in a society”, and this society is very condescending and misogynistic.

  • Aoshi Kearun

    Aoshi Kearun

    20 दिन पहले

    Fast and furious is target for mindless criticism, and A LOT OF IT (and the product it is as bad as Twilight, and even more problematic). I get that the whole male protectorate thing around it lessen the propagation, but heck, have you not seen the "F&F 110000 is coming out" memes?

  • Ren Abulencia

    Ren Abulencia

    20 दिन पहले

    I loved twilight saga. I was obsessed with it when I was in high school. I read the books and watched the movies. I collected stuffs related to it. I was totally a fangirl. And now, I'm 26 (wow), I still love it.
    I don't really get why people hates it. The writing is good. The author is great (have you guys read her other books). And, at the end of the day, it's a story of a teenager. Let's stop being toxic with people who enjoys/enjoyed this. And let's agree that we all can't agree with every thing.
    I also want to make a point with all the fanbase of different pop culture icons, idols, movies, etc. Stop being a toxic fan.

  • Cpt. Sheppard

    Cpt. Sheppard

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    OK mate - you either have a ridiculously biased view of Twilight or you don't get it or you just want to hate it, but this is a shit video. I'm sorry, but the crap that comes out of your mouth it just... I can't even describe it, I'm sorry 😂😂. You're obviously *that* kind of person.

  • Cpt. Sheppard

    Cpt. Sheppard

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    Twilight is brilliant, and the movies fucked it up completely. End of story. They make the relationship between Edward and Bella creepy as shit, bad and just make everyone underrate it, for starters. It also just makes the charecters look like a right bunch of shitheads with no depth, and cuts/ changes too much of the book. And on top of that, Twilight is a teen romance novel for girls; it's not going to suit everyone, and people need to just fucking get over it. Just because it isn't your cup of tea, that doesn't make it bad at all. It doesn't help that there are so many these days that just jump on the band wagon that is for those who "hate" Twilight when so many haven't even got a clue what it's about. Honestly, guys, just lay of Twilight. It's so... sad, and pathetic, that people treat Twilight the way they do. Fr, just grow tf up 😂😂

  • Chisomo Chiweza

    Chisomo Chiweza

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    I just think people hated it cause it was famous. And so they felt the ideas in the book would be seen as gospel truth. I mean, If it was small, it would have been ait but like nobody remembers the aftermath of trope abuse we faced after twilight? Nope?

  • Girlie K

    Girlie K

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    I actually loved twilight because I thought it was shot pretty cool, loved the soundtrack and adored the atmosphere. Like the gloomy colours, the forests, the lore. The lore about the wolves was really cool especially. So yeah, I mean not everyone loved it for it’s romantic element (not that there’s anything wrong with that, just pointing out I think there’s more to it than just a cheesy love film) I think twilight is a unique franchise, and I never felt ashamed for liking it as a teenage girl.

  • Surya Mohan

    Surya Mohan

    21 दिन पहले

    yes it wasn't great but the hate was uncalled for

  • SomethingScanning

    SomethingScanning

    21 दिन पहले

    personally, I love making fun of the Harry Potter books.
    I love taking apart their plot holes, inconsistencies, unfortunate implications, contrivances and insufficiently thought out setting. But I would never try to ridicule the author or the fanbase. I wouldn't even call it bad literature. In a way, I am grateful that there is something for me to dig in, and that this something is famous enough for me not to look like a madman for doing so.
    But I still love criticising it. I know you love it, wizard fans. I'm not trying to take away your joy. But neither are you able to take away mine.

  • Victoria Bryer

    Victoria Bryer

    21 दिन पहले

    You know why she's fine, because she's making FAJITAS!!!!!

  • SoulFire39

    SoulFire39

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    I don't have a problem (too much of a problem) with Twilight. I have a problem with Breaking Dawn. And it's not about Jacob imprinting on Renesmee: it's the abortion debate. Oh Gods, if you didn't already know about it, STEER CLEAR, anyone reading this.